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charismagician
post May 4 2007, 09:49 AM
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So, do I really have to start threads like these? Oh yes.

The entire world realized the world is a GLOBE centuries ago.

Why do you think everything is a conspiracy? It is not.

No one benefits from lying about the shape of our earth. You can see other planets and celestial bodies through a fucking telescope with your own lying eyes.

YOU CANNOT PROVE TO ME THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU THINK YOU KNOW!

Stop smoking the banana peels dude.


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post May 4 2007, 10:23 AM
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I did not write this but I wish I did:

In fact, science does not work by conclusively and indisputably refuting
bad hypotheses. Instead, hypotheses stand or fail on their ability to
explain known observations, and to predict the outcome of observations that
haven't been performed yet. Let's take the flat earth versus round earth
hypotheses as an example. A round earth is the most stable shape according
to gravitational theory; a flat earth would tend to collapse toward the
center, and people standing near the edges would feel a gravitational pull
toward the center of the flat surface instead of perpendicular to the
surface. Your teacher could counter that gravitational theory is wrong;
magic holds us to the earth. This may be true, but it doesn't explain why
gravitational theory works so well at explaining how things fall, and the
observed trajectories of the planets and their moons. You could tell your
teacher that photographs of the earth from space show that it is round,
just like the globe model in your classroom. He could counter that those
photographs are government fakes. Perhaps so, but we can see that other
planets and moons are round; wouldn't it make more sense to say that the
earth is round, too? Your teacher could say that the earth is special and
different. You could ask how numerous people have sailed or flown around
the earth if the earth is flat. He would have to say that every one of
these people, separated as they are in time and space, belongs to the same
great conspiracy aimed at brainwashing us into supposing that the earth is
round. You could ask him about the communications networks that are linked
by satellite - how can you have satellites orbiting a flat earth? He might
then tell you that there really aren't any satellite links - everything is
connected by wires, or a close-packed array of relay antennas.

We could go on and on, and I bet that in your classroom you HAVE gone on
and on. As you see, there is no single fact you could tell your teacher
that he couldn't dispute in some way. If you step back and look at it,
though,what kind of world would it have to be if your teacher were right?
Gravity doesn't function here like it does everywhere else in the solar
system, there's a huge conspiracy reaching across hundreds of years to
convince us (for no apparent reason) that the earth is round instead of
flat, the progression of the seasons, and even of day and night, are
controlled by the gods. Eventually, a reasonable person would have to
concede that it would make a lot more sense to agree that the earth is
indeed round.

There are some other theories to explain things that do not meet this test
of scientific reasonableness, yet are still put forth and defended by many
people in society. This example of the flat earth hypothesis lets you see
how difficult it is to change someone's mind when they're set on some
strange or unrealistic theory. It also lets you see that just if a theory
"can't be disproven" doesn't necessarily mean that it is correct, or that
it should be taken seriously for very long.


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post May 4 2007, 10:24 AM
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Funkbone doesn't really think the world is flat, does he ?


Do you , Funkbone ?


I was sure you were joking. Oh how I laughed.
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post May 4 2007, 10:30 AM
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Question: Why is the Earth round?
helen m vonderheide

Answer:
To a first-order approximation the Earth is round. This
is due to gravity. Gravity pulls with equal strength in all
directions; therefore any variations from a spherical
shape will lead to gravitational forces that
bring the shape back into that of a sphere.

This is without considering the rotation of the earth,
however. The rotation of the earth adds centrifugal
effects, which cause the earth to bulge slightly at
its equator and flatten slightly at its poles.
(This is like twirling a rock on the end of a string
and then letting go--the rock flies away from the
twirler.) Because of these centrifugal effects, the
distance from the center of the earth to the surface
of the earth is about 0.33% shorter at the poles
compared to the equator.

-Grant


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post May 4 2007, 10:37 AM
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Question

How can one prove that the world is round?

Asked by: Brenden Brewer

Answer

Now that we have access to space, the easiest way to prove the Earth is spherical is to leave it and view it from a distance. Astronauts and space probes have done just that. Every picture of Earth ever taken shows only a circular shape, and the only geometric solid which looks like a circle from any direction is a sphere.

One of the oldest proofs of the Earth's shape, however, can be seen from the ground and occurs during every lunar eclipse. The geometry of a lunar eclipse has been known since ancient Greece. When a full Moon occurs in the plane of Earth's orbit, the Moon slowly moves through Earth's shadow. Every time that shadow is seen, its edge is round. Once again, the only solid that always projects a round shadow is a sphere.

Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A., Part-time Physics/Astronomy Instructor


This is a question that has been asked for many years, and there are some very intuitive, and some not-so-intuitive answers.

To start with... there's a horizon, meaning that the surface that one is observing from is not an infinite plane. On the clearest of days, the only restriction to one's range of sight is the horizon. There can be two explanations for this - one, that the Earth at some point just stops, as if you were looking off the edge of a table. The other is that the Earth is round. Hundreds of years ago, before the invention of the compass or sextant, precise navigation for ships was difficult, even with the stars. Ships that ventured past sight of land were often lost, and thus it was generally believed that the world simply *stopped* at the end of the horizon. With the invention of the compass, and improved map-making, people began to dare more, and with the return of Columbus from his trans-Atlantic voyage, the concept of the Earth as flat was shattered.

Further proof of the Earth being round came after the voyage of Columbus. When Newton discovered and measured the force of gravity, that number could then be tested anywhere the theory was known. Since the force of gravity is roughly the same everywhere on the globe, it could be surmised that the Earth must be spherical. If the Earth were not round, whole hemispheres would have different atmospheric pressure and significantly different sea levels. Also, pictures taken of the Earth in the last 50 years have proved absolutely conclusively that the Earth is round. These are just the arguments that don't require much physics knowledge to explain, there are others that are more technical, but I think that the simplest arguments are the best.


I stand by my absolute knowledge of the earth's shape.

Kinda silly this thread.


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post May 7 2007, 04:57 AM
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How did I miss this thread? This is the funniest thing you've ever done! I can't believe I got you to argue the roundness of the world. You are priceless!

That being said, the earth is flat.


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post May 7 2007, 05:29 PM
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Long hot summers stuffed in that winnebago with your one mans junk fan fighting off mosquitoes plugging leaks in you new roof, has warped your brain.

three words.

Lunar eclipse. Round.


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post May 7 2007, 06:31 PM
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As seen from the flat earth.


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post May 7 2007, 07:24 PM
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as seen from earth.

that is round.

The moon is not a movie screen.


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post May 7 2007, 07:38 PM
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So far goast is the only one to post in this thread. Makes me wonder why no one wants to join in in this conversation. Is it gay as diktor dearth would assume? Is it because everyone respects you so much that they are willing to let you think something that is PHYSICALLY impossible to be true? Or is it a stupid boring discourse of 2 friends that nobody could give a shit about? Forrest Gump would probably say "I think that all is happening at the same time."

Seriously man, the earth is round.

Physics are laws that cannot be broken by mere man.

Try jumping out of a building and flying away on your mind power.

Gravity will win.

I know that you are a fuckin rock when it comes to your "beliefs", but the earth spins causing gravity to pull on all sides equal. Fact. The more you disagree with these unchangable laws, the more you sound like the guy on the street corner screaming the end is near. Knowing that the laws can be broken, but not by you, doesn't change the way it affects the rest of the world. You are a part of this world whether you think so or not.


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QUOTE(charismagician @ May 7 2007, 07:24 PM) *

The moon is not a movie screen.

Prove it.


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post May 7 2007, 10:43 PM
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Contrary to what you might think, I don't have to prove it. Proof is keeping you on the ground. Proof is bringing in the tide. Proof is all around but yet, you cannot see it. Why does the obvious escape you so?

Arguing for the sake of arguing is your predominent quality these days. I don't think I'll get you to admit the world is round, simply because you are always right, even when you're wrong.

I can't wait for your next one liner.


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post May 7 2007, 11:15 PM
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Then don't.


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nothing but theory.


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post May 8 2007, 12:19 AM
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QUOTE
"God's definition of "flat" is wholly different from ours. The world is flat in His eyes, but spherical in ours. This is simply because our eyes are tainted with sin and doubt. We see what we want to see, not what is. I really don't see why this is so hard to understand."

Words from some Christian who's closed mind is slightly more open than yours.


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