More fodder for you round earthers:

None of you found this interesting.

I don't see shit.

funny how they don't have any sources either.

They do. These are clips from a longer presentation.

Ah

So it's growing... It's still round. What are you talking about? I thought you thought the earth was flat.

The earth is flat. This is propaganda.

Elaborate.

Okay. Short version: You are programmed to see a round world. To see the flat earth would require some deprogramming on your end. Then you can laugh in amazement and wonder at all the people walking around in circles.

and my jizz is made of goat's milk..

You suck helium from a dick.

Good times.

If it was round, how'd it fit on the back of the turtle? You'd need some big clamps or something, and as if God's going to find a hardware store at short notice? Round earth dumb asses.

I'm assuming you don't truly believe the Earth is flat, but I'm too tired and hung over to read to that conclusion.

Okay, I read a bit and am assuming you pretended to be serious merely for the joke to be better at the reveal, right?

Okay, now I'm frightened. Curvature of the Earth is a trick of light? Am I merely too plastered to understand, or is that really what you believe?

Okay Einstein, here's the big question: Why lie if the Earth is flat? After all, finally admitting the Earth was round took alot of humility by alot of people in power (Christians, cough). Why not just keep saying it is and save the embarrassment. I don't see what's to be gained here.

First mistake.

Same mistake twice.

Second mistake. Don't be frightened.

Yes. Everything you see is a trick of light.

Because if you knew the truth you hamsters would jump off your wheels.

Now I try to have a half-way engaging conversation and you start attacking me. You wanna flick shit for "assuming"? Everyone in the world makes assumptions, it's the undercurrent of thought process. Any time somebody doesn't have all the info (which is always) you make automatic assumptions about everything else.

Next time I'll just assume you're an asshole and not comment. Way to not really answer my actual question too.

Arrrgh! We can't have the hamsters jumping off their wheels!

They are the things balanced above the turtle on wires that power the rotation of the sun and moon around us. If they jump off we'll not have sunny time and sleepy time.

Think about it FuckBone. Be careful of what you say. One wrong move could give the turtle dyspepsia and cause another earthquake.

I did answer your question. You just didn't like it.

I think that was what you meant to say.

Thanks, Light.

Again, I think this was what you were going for.

Maybe it's really Light and he's just trying to make an alias not everybody hates! Gasp!

And no, "people would fall down in their gay little hamster wheels" is not a good answer. As was stated, people believed the Earth was flat. Convincing everyone the Earth was round actually got them losing their minds.

And before you say anything it's historical fact, not "historical fact". You can't discredit the past just because it doesn't fit your theory. That what makes Holocaust deniers.

Wait, please tell me you think the Holocaust is real...

http://forums.sacredcowproductions.com/ind...?showtopic=1195

Why? So you can pretend we think alike? Do you know what the word 'holocaust' means without going to dictionary.com?

I think your birth was a conspiracy.

I'm not pretending we think alike, I'm just hoping we're on the same page on that "conspiracy". You know, because although I technically wasn't there (like with your map or 9-11 arguments) I dare say the evidence is most definitely in the pro section there.

I'm not sure the initial definition (something to do with fire, it's been a while since Ken Burns explained it to me), but I do know definitions change to match public knowledge of events(like with "swift boat" or "sexual predator"). What I'm talking about is the genocide of nearly six million Jewish prisoners occurring during WWII. Now it's a yes or no. You can say whatever little snippy opinion after you answer, but answer: Do you think the Holocaust was real?

The number of Jews killed is debatable.

I say no Jews were killed and the Trix bunny finally got his Trix.

Jews were killed. Lots of others, too.

Show me proof!

Look, people died over stupid religious preference. That's bullshit no matter which way you slice it.

Denial of the Holocaust is denial to the grief of families, and even more so relies on ignorance of what you call "history". My great-grandpa served as a man, my age actually. He served in securing Nuremberg right after the bombings, but after it was secured he went to Treblinka, the camp between Warsaw and Bialstock (spelling's fucked up, I'm sure of it). I've got a picture of him outside the gates with his hands over his face. In his entire life, that's the only picture I've seen where he isn't smiling. To me that's always been proof enough.

Everything you do relies on rejection of the initial proposed idea. That's the difference between you and me: I question to believe, you question to not believe. It's selfish and inconsiderate to think you know more about WWII then a man who actually was for the same reason it is for someone at 9-11.

Now you're starting to cross a line. I've tried not to be a dick, but I've got family that's been slapped silly for much less. You rely on second-hand information to form your opinions just like me. Just because somebody has an underdog opinion doesn't make them right.

Another post full of assumptions. Crossing another line, am I? Quit drawing them and maybe you won't be bothered so much. And you haven't really tried to not be a dick. Be honest. Eh, maybe you have. Anyhow, I never said atrocious things didn't happen in camps. I have been convinced that those atrocities may have been greatly exaggerated. To say that I "question to not believe" is ridiculous.

Funkbone doesn't BELIEVE anything. Everything is an illusion to him including his own life. He THINKS he knows alot more than the rest of us but that is an illusion also. When he says the earth is flat, in his mind, it is. The inner workings of his mind are confused due to the lack of experience on his part. He has never experienced building his own rocketship and orbiting our earth to prove to himself that it is indeed round. He has never corrected his own eyesight with his mind, therefore, to him, it is entirely possible. Funkbone is attempting to unprogram himself because he thinks that everything that has ever been taught to him, is a big fat conspiracy. In some ways, he is right, but extremes occur when searching for answers nobody can provide. Since the only people that really know these things are astronauts and other government employees, he/we will never really KNOW with our own senses if what these people are telling us is reliable information. Hell, if media/government/colleges were to tell me that there is now proof that there is life on mars, I'd laugh and say, hmm, it's possible, I suppose. But it doesn't mean I'll believe any of it.

Like hell. At which point have I ever given the impression of giving the faintest shit what you people think of me? I don't need an alias to speak (and, apparently, offend) honestly.

Plus I have no alias' other than Light on this forum. True story.

[edit] Funkbone: Sophistry does not equate with intellect except on the basest of levels.

In summary: Sh.

That's my point exactly, if he couldn't see you wonder if he'd believe in his feet. Now questioning's a good thing, but there has to be a point where breathe deep and accept a situation.

Nearly six million Jews were killed in WWII. Even assuming everything we know is wrong (which it ISN'T) I knew and talked with great lengths a man who was there. There's no ulterior motive for him telling me three quarters of a million people died there. That's the hypocrisy, to make your point you invariably have to call some of these people liars. Do you really have the balls to assume you know more about WWII then my obviously lying great-grandfather?

On the basis of what I've read, Funkbone would actually make a pretty decent lawyer; they also equate "Picks over every last word to try and find one that they can twist to ensure that yet another disagreement breaks out, and no-one learns anything" with "Gosh, aren't I clever?"

Yes it is. Are you seriously trying to convince me that gramps counted three quarters of a million bodies?

[edit] Light: Sh.

In summary: Suck a dick.

Funkbone: have you ever, with your own eyes, seen me? Or Fiji? Or a Mayan ruin? Or a genuine pagoda? If not, then presumably none of these things exist. And, oh dear, reverting to your tried and tested "Uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh you're like gay or something huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh" fallback position. And you were doing so well...

Now enjoy your sophistry whilst it lasts.

Well, at least out-and-out avoidance is a better way out than gay jokes when one's sophistry is exhausted, no?

For God's sake, everybody gives me shit for being an atheist. Is it totally wrong not to believe what you don't see provided it's a magical being in the sky?

Your burden of proof is too high. If I had that attitude in life I would never make a conclusion. Can you imagine writing a joke with that mind-set? "Guys, don't you hate when your girlfriend... I'm assuming you all have or have had girlfriends. That's of course assuming you aren't gay, of which I have nothing against. but anyway, don't you hate it when..."

Closing off ideas is beyond natural, it's essential. In that sense, the only flaw you've really made is in idea selection.

Aware that Funkbone is most likely presenting a fallacy, I am still going to refute the denial of the holocaust anyway.

The thing is, the Holocaust was not just an assault upon the jews but an attack on difference and the result of fear of difference.

Between 1.5 and 2 million were exterminated in Auschwitz alone, and almost 90% of those were Jewish. But when it comes to percentages of population, the Nazis wiped out almost half of the entire population of the Romany / Gypsy peoples. Jehovah's Witnesses also were murdered. Communists, free-thinkers and any dissenting voices were also sent to the gas chamber.

Deny the holocaust - or even deny the extent of the Holocaust - and you destroy its effect. And that effect is to stand up against such extreme repression of the right to think, believe and act freely. The Holocaust is a unifier - one thing that all right-thinking peoples can agree must never be allowed to happen again.

It needs to be there - especially given the British press's penchant for publishing stories about the creeping menace of immigration.

That is why the official story is presented as it is and not as it actually was. For example, there is a wall in Auschwitz in front of which the story would have you believe no less than 20,000 people had been executed by firing squad. There is not a single bullet mark on that wall. Have I been to Auschwitz? No. Good story, though.

Well I'm going to pull a page from your play book and say how do you know then? Oh shit, you already sort of admitted it. Damn!

I tried not to be too sob-story at first because the tragedy is secondary to the facts (plus it makes it too emotionally driven). Then again this argument revolves around believing said facts are elaborate lies, so why not? My Grandpa certainly believed it, and he had the scars to show it (hands out of Frankenstein, diabetes from a near-lethal brush with Typhus). Perhaps that's it exactly, I have no reason to believe it was a lie. Either this makes me ignorant or you falsely driven.

It's a numbers game to me. The more people are involved the less likely it seems that a conspiracy would work. I don't believe 9-11 was a conspiracy, and all that would have involved is two already corrupt branches of government (CIA and White House). You seriously believe the lid can be kept closed on the most intensely documented atrocity in human history?

There is, I agree, an element of myth built up around the Holocaust. It is what one would expect given the mind-blowing idea of 'processing' that many people, of dehumanising whole races. I cannot picture 3 million gobstoppers, let alone 3 million bodies. The whole thing is beyond belief - that is not to say it did no happen, just that a civilised society cannot comprehend its being.

I would like to know the truth though about the myth of the birds - that they refuse to fly over the place. I don't really believe it, but it is one of those spooky x-file things I would love to be true.

I think that horrific things happened to alot of people during that time frame, but number fudging isn't nearly as horrible as the actual amount of people killed. The amount of people doesn't really matter, does it? Only that many people were killed, on many borders. The real number probably can't even be calculated by the people that really did the counting. After so many wasted lives it is just reasonable to think that if it happened again, would YOU willingly enter a group shower facility in a time of war, or would you take out as many of the prickfucks you could before kickin it? That is where religion failed the jews.

The number game for WWII fluctuates depending on who you're talking to. Six million the one historians turn to the most, but the number could be more or less. And before you say it FB, I mean a little less. Even subtracting a million from the death toll would be greatly pushing it.

As far as your opinion reaches. Don't pretend to know you are right when you can't. Know you are right when you can. Because sometimes you can know you are right. I'm right about that. I know it.

You don't know that. Knowledge is an illusion. Your mind is playing tricks on you. Everything you think is true is just a mirror image of your cross-dimensional self leaving an imprint on your memory. Information is only a fleating heartbeat and sensory input is broken and garbled. Extracting correct knowledge from the universe is only possible when you achieve mental prowess the equivalent of 3 lifetimes and 1 multi-dimesional crossover.

Yes I do.